Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UPDATE

Der Spiegel:

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supports US presidential candidate Barack Obama's plan to withdraw US troops from Iraq within 16 months. When asked in and interview with SPIEGEL when he thinks US troops should leave Iraq, Maliki responded "as soon as possible, as far as we are concerned." He then continued: "US presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl d/0,1518,566841,00.html

This was bolder then I expected from Maliki but maybe he is smart enough to realize that a McCain's plan for a permanent base in Iraq isn't going to be conjuctive to his long term survival. The news media is going to bend over backwards to avoid reporting this story.

Update:The Networks really don't seem to want to cover this story but we got some help from an unlikely source.
The White House this afternoon accidentally sent to its extensive distribution list a Reuters story headlined "Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan - magazine." The story relayed how Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine Der Spiegel that "he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months … ‘U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes,'" the prime minister said. The White House employee had intended to send the article to an internal distribution list, ABC News' Martha Raddatz reports, but hit the wrong button. The misfire comes at an odd time for Bush foreign policy, at a time when Obama's campaign alleges the president is moving closer toward Obama's recommendations about international relations -- sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, discussing a "general time horizon" for U.S. troop withdrawal and launching talks with Iran.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/white-house-acc.html

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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

Funny, haven't heard anything from the McCain campaign about this. I'm sure by next week, though, we'll hear all about how McCain was calling for this plan all along. Seriously. "The McCain-McCain Debates". Somebody good with video get started on that.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:56:58 PM EST

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And for GOD'S SAKE, get Alec Baldwin to be in it. C'mon, people, get it together!


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:58:59 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (2.00 / 1)

It's really annoying to watch the MSM say that Obama and McCain are getting closer on Iraq without pointing out that all of the movement has been on the part of McCain. They try to make it look like Obama has moved towards the center and so has McCain when it's not true.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:07:15 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (2.00 / 2)

We will eventually see the Obama campaign mount a massive offensive in this area. For now, they still have time. Obama has pretty much ensured that no narrative about him will take hold until he's damn good and ready. It's classic rope-a-dope strategy. He's counter-punching enough that he is staying in the fight, but he has no need to go for a knockout blow yet. It wouldn't land this far from the nomination. If he keeps slipping away from the flip-flop meme (which I think he has done), that's enough. When it comes time for the serious stuff, they will still have plenty of cards they can play.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:25:13 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (2.00 / 1)

I agree with you on this. We will still have almost 2 months to go after the convention. That can seem like an eternity in an election. The ad wars will heat up and the candidates will be holding events almost daily. Anyone who thinks we are already in GE mode is sadly mistaken. The best is yet to come.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:04:54 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

Yup, agreed.

Post debate One, post debate Two... the last two weeks of September... it is going to be a cage match that Barack will win, hands down.

Won't be pretty though.


by RickWn on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 02:03:17 AM EST
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Waiting for the McCain camp (none / 0)

to respond...LOL!


by puma on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:09:39 PM EST

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Can anyone find a story on this in the MSM? It's so obvious that the media desperately wants Obama to continue Bush's policies on Iraq...


by animated on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:13:09 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

Let's recap:

The Iraqi Gov now supports BHO's policy

McMetoo has got behind BHO's afgan policy...

I hope to see this in ads in all swing states before the Repub wake in St. Paul.


by gil44 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:20:20 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

Add to this:

-We have taken steps towards negotiating with Iran
-The Bush admin has proposed something approaching a timetable in Iraq


by animated on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:22:39 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

Good points

I wish Obama's campaign would be more aggressive with these type of talkers


by gil44 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:31:34 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (none / 0)

That's right I think Obama is already having an influence as you point out.


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM EST
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The Obama campaign needs to (none / 0)

hammer this EVERY DAY this coming week.

It should be the talking point that Obama is leading and Bush/McBush are following.


by puma on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:12:10 PM EST

Re: The Obama campaign needs to (2.00 / 2)

Expect McCain to whine all week, "but, but, but - it was the surge!  I get credit!  It was the surge!"


by Drummond on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:27:53 PM EST
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"Fucked" (2.00 / 1)

I really like.. nay, LOVE Ambinder's take on this:

19 Jul 2008 02:23 pm

This could be one of those unexpected events that forever changes the way the world perceives an issue. Iraq's Prime Minister agrees with Obama, and there's no wiggle room or fudge factor. This puts John McCain in an extremely precarious spot: what's left to argue? to argue against Maliki would be to predicate that Iraqi sovereignty at this point means nothing. Obviously, our national interests aren't equivalent to Iraq's, but... Malik isn't listening to the generals on the ground...but the "hasn't been to Iraq" line doesn't work here.

So how will the McCain campaign respond?

(Via e-mail, a prominent Republican strategist who occasionally provides advice to the McCain campaign said, simply, "We're fucked." No response yet from the McCain campaign, although here's what McCain said the last time Maliki mentioned withdrawal: "Since we are succeeding, then I am convinced, as I have said before, we can withdraw and withdraw with honor, not according to a set timetable. And I’m confident that is what Prime Minister Maliki is talking about, since he has told me that for many meetings we’'ve had."

Will Maliki retract his words?

And it immediately proceeds a priceless image, complete with this little bit of bite:

As Maliki endorses Obama's timetable, the United States government is negotiating (basically) with Iran.

Emphasis added.  (Who could resist?)

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/


A drink whenever Palin makes a well-argued, semantically intact, logical and lucid argument -- or WASILLA for short.
by January 20 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:12:58 PM EST

Re: "Fucked" (none / 0)

Thanks for posting this January. The bad guys are "fucked" This should be a great week for Senator Obama.


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:07:25 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline (2.00 / 1)

For all those who have much maligned the Obama press organization, here's to you:

"Obama Camp Calls McCain A Follower On Foreign Policy"

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/07/obama_camp_calls_mccain_a_f oll.php#more

Looks to me like the Obama campaign were waiting for the more opportune time of releasing this statement, rather than in response to some lame McCain attack ad, but in response to an actual "official" in regards to Iraq.

Now along with the Maliki story, it becomes more of an offensive instead of defense against McCain.

Maliki essentially gave Obama an alley-yoop(?)pass and the Obama team for going for the dunk.


by lamh3176 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:32:21 PM EST

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Just read the link. Everyone should read this.


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:10:43 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (none / 0)

I don't generally believe in conspiracies (mostly because people at that level are incapable of carrying them off) but I think this is part of a bigger plan.

The Americans are concerned about the war?  End it.

The Americans don't want to war with Iran? Send negotiators.

The Americans think gasoline is too expensive? Lower the price of crude.

What Bush & Friends is doing is moving to take over Sen Obama's positions.  They do not want this race to be over issues because they know that they have lost the country on issues.

So the plan is to make McC's policies look enough like Obama's that the whispering campaign against Barack Obama can work.  People won't care if his skin is different from their own if he offers something that they need, be it an end to the war, or a plan to improve the economy.

However, if both candidates offer what appear to be the same plans, the average low information voter may vote on the misinformation he has on issues like race or religion.

They can't afford to lose the Presidency.  There are too many bodies lying around and way too much money that leads to way too many crimes.  They will do things we can't even imagine to retain power.

This is just another item on the agenda.


by Susan from 29 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:46:09 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 1)

Nah, that won't happen. If it stops becoming about foreign policy, then it starts becoming about domestic issues. And at that point, McCain's record gets awfully, awfully thin. Why do you think he's been running so hard on foreign policy? Sure, his new campaign manager told him that he needed to focus on the economy. It's too late, though, he revealed his weakness.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:29:29 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 1)

Well, THIN isn't the right word. He's been around a long time. Perhaps I should say that it is an area where he has noplace to stand. He replaced almost all his well-respected moderate economic positions during the campaign. And he can't run on his positions on social issues because it's just abysmal.

He's got energy as an issue. That's it. Somehow, even though energy is a big deal, I don't think that will cut it. Obama simply matches his rhetoric in line with McCain's, and he's then got no advantage whatsoever.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:35:41 PM EST
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It's Front Page on CBS (none / 0)

Don't see a word on CNN. Completely buried on MSNBC.


by Bob Miller on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:52:01 PM EST

Re: It's Front Page on CBS (none / 0)

It was on Sanchez' show, though it was couched in a story wondering whether Obama can improve on his credentials with the trip.


by Drummond on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:26:26 PM EST
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McCain camp (2.00 / 2)

A McCain strategist:  "We're Fucked."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/19/ 152810/502/332/553951


by Drummond on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:25:32 PM EST

Well... (2.00 / 2)

The GOP in general is screwed. This quote came from a SITTING SENATOR:
If it were an extremist government, then I think we would have other challenges, but I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.

That really sums up the situation quite well. Pity that Senator McCain no longer feels the way he did in 2004 when he made that quote.
If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:31:56 PM EST

Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)

Very nice vcalzone. Using McCain's own words As I say McCain is our secret weapon.


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:14:16 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 2)

Re Maliki's 16 month withdrawal comment:

How sweet it is. Time for McCain to pack up and head back to Arizona, put his feet up and recall the golden age when "jokes" about women enjoying rape was just good fun.


Mary Alice
by marya on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:48:08 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 1)

 I think I have the McCain supporters' spin on this:
"What would you expect from a bunch of Mooslims?"
by QTG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:26:48 PM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 1)

Drudge is all over this one. It's the lead story.

McSame never knew what hit him.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 02:58:40 AM EST

Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (2.00 / 2)

His campaign's still mumbling about 'victory and honour.'  Can you believe it?  He's not going to be getting either at this rate.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 04:47:43 AM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (none / 0)

I saw that. That statement makes no sense. I keep saying it. This election is going to be a Democratic landslide.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 03:22:54 PM EST
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Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

Maliki is just a puppet, nothing more.

But a spokesman for al-Maliki said his remarks "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."

Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the possibility of troop withdrawal was based on the continuance of security improvements, echoing statements that the White House made Friday after a meeting between al-Maliki and U.S. President Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/1 9/almaliki.obama/


by soyousay on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 08:34:07 AM EST

Re: Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

Of course, they never say what exactly was mistranslated. I just saw somebody on MSNBC reading the original transcript and notice that the interviewer didn't even bring Obama up - but Maliki brought Maliki's name up himself. The analyst said there's no way Maliki could walk that back.


by elrod on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 10:42:28 AM EST
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Re: Puppet on a string.... (2.00 / 1)

I assume you mean that "Maliki brought up Obama's name", not that he was on like a radio call-in show, right? "Hi, this is Nouri Kamel Mohammed Hassan al-Maliki. Long time listener, first time caller."


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 12:50:04 PM EST
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Re: Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

LOL. Yeah. The interviewer did not prompt Maliki to discuss Obama's withdrawal plan. There's no way Maliki can say, "I said yes when I meant no." Maliki actually raised Obama's plan by name without prompting.


by elrod on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 04:05:48 PM EST
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Re: Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

And very sadly, what can Bush or McCain say? What action can they take? They've tied their political future to his waist and assumed that he was on their side. I think MOST people assumed that he'd default to their side or at least wouldn't see fit to be involved. Whoops.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 05:28:33 PM EST
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Re: Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

"assume"

You tend to do that a lot. Your assumption is wrong.


by soyousay on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:34:17 AM EST
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Re: Puppet on a string.... (none / 0)

No, my assumption was right. What are you talking about?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 09:23:54 AM EST
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Heh :D (none / 0)

"my assumption"
exactly
by soyousay on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 01:07:35 PM EST
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Re: Maliki endorses Obama's timeline; HILARIOUS UP (none / 0)


The statement by an aide to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki calling his remarks in Der Spiegel "misinterpreted and mistranslated" followed a call to the prime minister's office from U.S. government officials in Iraq.

Maliki had expressed support for a withdrawal plan similar to that of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama in an interview with Der Speigel. U.S. troops should leave Iraq "As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned," Maliki had said. "U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."

But after the Spiegel interview was published and began generating headlines Saturday, officials at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad contacted Maliki's office to express concern and seek clarification on the remarks, according to White House spokesman Scott Stanzel.

Dan Eggen - Maliki Aide's Statement Came After U.S. Call Washington Post 20 Jul 08

No surprises there.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 05:01:20 PM EST


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